Hello,

I thought I read on the old forums that over the course of the past few years that Shiva has been made stronger but getting the Ankh Amulet should have been made easier as it's an essential piece of equipment. Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to get into the BS below Major(solo.. maybe captain, i dunno im not there yet) due to the types the monsters spawning - up to Major Gargs. The addition of potions lasting to 1st LT helps but even as a hara the amulet is a requirement at that point to be able to pent -1 even on rpot.

In the past this was affected by the number of black candles that Shiva had spawned - I'm unsure if this is the case still and forgive me if there's a back door I don't know about but I would suggest altering that mechanic or putting in a back door so that new players/anyone under captain/major doesnt require the aid of someone higher ranked to get in the front door for this piece.


Also, maybe a /gmoon command to provide amount of real time hours and minutes until next good moon?

Anyone can help you with Black Stronghold. There is no leading policy covering the Ankh Amulet. While I agree some of the mobs are pretty strong, it's generally not difficult to find someone to take you. I'm busy at the moment but will be on later and can take you through.

I was not aware of any change in the rules on leading in the Black Stronghold.

The rules on the Forum are fairly clear, unless someone has failed to update them.



If you are Sgt Major (rank you can group with a Captain (rank 11).
Usually a good Capt (maybe with scrolls/pots) can take you in.

From my understanding, it doesn't look like the rules have been updated. I asked this question specifically concerning U1, and was told (by I think Lazy but I may be wrong) that as long as there is not a portal/door that announces grouping restrictions then leading would be appropriate provided it was not quest related and was not in pents. I was told leading in U1 was perfectly fine because there is no grouping portal.

There is no grouping portal in Black Stronghold. There have been multiple times that we lead lower ranked characters to get their Ankh Ammy and have never been told it was wrong. I have personally led someone into BS for Ankh Ammy while a God was online. Is Ankh Ammy considered a quest and that's why it falls under the leading rule? If that is the case, why can we lead into U1 considering Fighter's Eye is a quest item?

Can we get a definitive answer on this? What exactly are the leading rules? The rules on the forum don't seem to match the "common understanding" of the rule as it was explained to me.

They are updated to new version, pent quest/town quest/group portals are no-leading areas. black stronghold never got a group portal(which im pretty sure we had talked about at the time lava)

I must be growing old or maybe it was my stint in hospital with some interesting drugs.

I do not recall changing these to be so wide.


Reading this as written, almost all quests, Prospect Peak, Cave, Abandoned Town, Lost cave, just about everything is open slather.
Only the 13+ town quests and the pents are restricted if there is no group portal.

Was that what was intended and agreed?

All quests, part of PP quest,all of AT. All of these have group portals, and some other areas.
Lost cave doesn't have a group portal but it does have a min rank on the portal, becuase certain classes literally cant do this area without help, so the min rank is about what rank u could do it.
Also several of the poles had min ranks added so leading to them isnt an issue anymore, like BS poles all have min ranks.

Ok looks like the group portal functionality has solved a lot of the problems.

And it looks like anyone can escort you to get the ankh ammy.

Thanks LW and Ake.

No, thank you!